When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method?

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When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method?

Postby terrifly » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:16 pm

Hello,
I saved loads of common and purple milkweed seeds from last year. I spread some around in late fall and I would like to try to cold stratify some in the refrigerator. Can someone give me an idea when I should put them in...Also do I put the seeds between two pieces of moist paper towels or sprinkle the seeds on top of one moist paper towel?

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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Mona Miller » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:31 pm

http://www.butterflyencounters.com/growing-milkweed/
This website has very good directions.

They needs at least 6-8 weeks. Butterfly Encounters recommends slightly damp sand.

The Garden Forum has some good info on propagating plants, even "winter sowing" outside.
http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/wtrsow/
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby blazing star » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:53 pm

I used to try to stratify in baggies but it wasn't a perfect science. The seeds can get moldy, or they can germinate in the bag and then when you sow, the roots may dry up and die out. I've had best luck sowing outside in the Fall.

When I used the bag method I, too, used damp sand. It's not supposed to be too wet where you can wring moisture.

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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Billfish » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:38 pm

Greetings from North Idaho. Long time reader who decided I should start sharing here. I have been starting milkweed seedlings mid winter for the past two years. This year I have just potted up 250 plants in the last week. Haven't tried all of the species you mention, but have had great success with showy mw (A. speciosa) and swamp mw (A. incarnata), both natives here in Idaho, and a then few Eastern Purples (A. purpurascens) for my garden. Showy is much like common, so would think that propagation would be simmilar. I use a damp paper towel now, as I got tired of having to sort through the sand to find sprouting seeds. They always seem to get burried where I can't see them at a glance. I have found that I get 95% germination of showy seeds with only 2 weeks of stratification and about 60% with Swamp. That bumps up to 85% after 3 weeks for swamp, so really, not as long as the literature says. I place the seeds between two layers of damp paper towel that is squeezed out, place them inside a ziplock laying flat on a fridge rack for 2 or 3 weeks. Somewhere in there I put them outside for a few hours to freeze. As soon as the paper towels freeze stiff, I put them back in the fridge to thaw slowly. If you place them in your freezer in stead, don't let them stay too long. Your freezer is much colder, so 20 to 30 mins. is enough. I found that i killed many of the seeds by leaving them overnight in my freezer. Just a quick freeze is all i do, and even that may not be needed, but why change it if it works.
After 2 or 3 wks I then pull the bags out and set them at room temp (top of fridge, counter top, wherever it's about 70f. Begin checking at about 10 days. I pull the seeds that have a root started about (1/4 inch), and plant them individually in 5"deep plug trays. You could use larger pots if you want. The seedling roots grow [url]very fast[/url], straight down, so bigger is better (they will be growing out the bottoms of my 5" plugs in 2 wks). Keep checking every two days, and pot up any that have sprouted. If you let them go too long, the roots grow through the paper towel, and they are hard to get out without dammage, then you get the rot. I get basically no rotting by checking often. Some species have a longer germination spread than others (mostly 10 to 20 days), but even the seeds that are unsprouted after 20 days will eventually germinate if they are potted up and kept moist. I simply use tweezers to poke a 1/3 to half " deep hole in the potting soil and slip the exposed root straight down while leaving the seed just below the surface of soil. Firm it in from the sides, not the top. Put a few more seeds than you will use in the bags and you will have plenty of sprouts to pot up 4 to 6 weeks later. I did find the Eastern Purples had closer to 50% Germ with 4 weeks strat., and they sprouted over a much longer time, so species are definetely different, but I really prefer to just check the paper towels for germinating seeds often, as opposed to the sand. When started this early, they plant out very well in May, and are well established before the summer dry period. I am naturalizing these, so no summer watering. I do the same with A. curasavica, but skip the stratification. They sprout in 8 to 16 days for the majority.
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Paul Cherubini » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:16 pm

Billfish wrote:Greetings from North Idaho.

Have you seen monarchs or caterpillars in northern Idaho in recent years?
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Billfish » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:04 pm

Paul Cherubini wrote:
Billfish wrote:Greetings from North Idaho.

Have you seen monarchs or caterpillars in northern Idaho in recent years?

Hi Paul, Negative on the little critters making it up to our place. Haven't seen one for two decades. I saw a post documenting a single adult on the Northwest Leps page of butterfly digest from southern Spokane county, WA. in early Sept., 2010. Only 80 miles away, so they do have the potential to make it here, but it's slim pickin's in this whole northern half of the western range. Milkweeds are coming back slowly, and there could be some production from up here if only they would migrate this far, early enough. I'd like to work on a little pilot project up here to see "what could happen, if..." but lots of logistics to work through. I'm working on habitat at this end, but lots of work to do on the whole migration corridor. For context, I could ony collect one or two caterpillars a year in Aug. during the 70's while in Highschool, so they were never abundant this far north, in Idaho. South Id, and central WA. were a different story. There were quite a few most years. One generation is all it ever was, though. I'd like to tap in to this potential. Then they'd still need to make it back down your way, but it'll never happen if we don't work on it while we can.
Sorry for the thread hijack- we should get back to stratifying seeds!
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Paul Cherubini » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:28 pm

I saw a monarch at a patch of showy milkweed near the northern shore of Coeur d Alene lake on July 9, 1969. Also photographed a monarch near near the Canadian border around Osoyoos, WA on June 17, 1973. Also saw lots of monarchs around Pasco, WA and Umatilla, OR in the 1970's. 1997 was a good year too and I caught 32 monarchs in one day at Outlook, WA and 11 monarchs at Umatilla in early August.

There is lots of showy milkweed in the valley where Hamilton, Montana is located and also some around Ronan, Montana. I will try to visit those areas this summer in early July when the milkweed is in full bloom to see if there are any monarchs.

In 1971 while a senior in high school I lived in Kalispell, Montana from Sept to May and did not see a single monarch. There is not hardly any milkweed in the Flathead Valley north of Flathead Lake. East of Glacier National Park the milkweed gets pretty common rather quickly around irrigated crop and pasture lands, like from around Cut Bank, Montana eastward and monarchs are common too some years.
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Billfish » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:42 pm

I could go on for a long time on this subject, Paul, so lets jump over to the thread i just started about "Milkweeds in the Inland Northwest", so we don't tie up this thread off topic. :cheesy:
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby terrifly » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:21 am

Thank you very much for your reply! That was very good information with excellent instructions that I can easily follow. I think I am going to try a little of both methods baggies with sand and paper towels and see how it goes.
I am hoping one way is somewhat succesful.
Thank you again... :D

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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby freda » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:31 pm

I'm still not clear on the timing for these seeds. I have several thousand seeds lying on the ground near last year's plants but I'd like to get some started in pots to give away. I left them outside in a paper bag for three weeks in Feb and now have them in a container waiting for planting day. My outdoor plants will be about 4" by May 24th. When should I start my seeds indoors to sync with my garden plants? I'll check some of the links which others have suggested.
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby dandjtaylor » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:36 pm

I have had equal luck with seeds stored in my shed in the winter as well as in the fridge for a couple of weeks.
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby dandjtaylor » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:37 pm

Oh, and as well as sprinkling on the ground and ruffling the soil in late fall and early spring.
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Mona Miller » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:38 pm

I have a friend that stores her milkweed seeds in a cold area--her garage. I'm trying the garage this year. I have a lot of common milkweed seeds. I'll have to see how they germinate this spring. Thanks.
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Mona Miller » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:40 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_V9WI3ObyE
I'd like to try seed balls one of these days.

Clear the weeds, step on the seeds, actually works, too.
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby terrifly » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:09 pm

Well, I decided to do baggies with sand and the paper towels method. Also I have tropical milkweed seeds started in trays. I am hoping something will come up. I have alot of swamp milkweed plants outside and started seeds in the fall of common and purple. Fingers crossed.

I still would like to fing a Giant Milkweed Plant to keep on the deck or in the house for backup in case I run into a shortage especially towards the end of the season.
Any suggestions would be appreciated...Everywhere I looked right now are out of stock.
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby dandjtaylor » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:09 pm

Take a trip to Aruba...every yard has a giant milkweed plant...of course that is illegal...but fun!
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Mona Miller » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:57 pm

Looks like Georgia Vines has a few seeds for sale:
http://www.georgiavines.com/cart/index. ... cts_id=390
Asclepias Calotropis gigantea
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Mona Miller » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:58 pm

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2189
I put together a list of people who sell different milkweed seeds. This came up in one of my searches.
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Re: When to start cold stratification baggie in frig. method

Postby Mona Miller » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:16 pm

http://www.turtlegabys-tropical-oasis.c ... s_gigantea
Here's 10 seeds for $2.

http://www.milkweedfarm.com/catalog.html
8 seeds for $5

http://www.ehow.com/how_8129872_grow-cr ... tings.html
This is interesting. These are directions how to take cuttings and rooting them. I actually have one Giant Milkweed. I has been very hard to keep it alive inside this winter. The aphids attacked it earlier. Now, it is dropping leaves. This is the problem with this type of milkweed. You have to take it in in the winter where it is not hardy.
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