Let's talk about Monarchs!
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Billfish wrote: I now teach a biology class at a small private school here
Billfish wrote: All we have to do is get some egg-laying adults to reach Hermiston and points north, and they have habitat that is slowly increasing again. It's there now, unused, with sometimes 10 to 50 miles of land between substantial patches.
Billfish wrote:Religion and faith were never brought up. Biology teacher for 2 hrs a week. Fish Research for State Nat Resource Mgmt Agency for 40+ hrs Wk. I can talk in numbers, and know what is happening to their habitat. It's not just monarch habitat being lost to "progress". No expectations of private gardens ever replacing historic habitat. Instead, I see value in bridging the miles between existing larger patches to increase connectivity of the available habitat and give a boost to annual dispersal of egg-laying adults The actual number of southbound migrants in diapause produced from these gardens may be relatively minute, but if they help connect egg laying monarchs to unused milkweed that now exists in the tens of thousands of square miles in the inland northwest, they will have far greater value than the few hundred they produce. There are virtually no monarchs produced anywhere up here most years. All we have to do is get some egg-laying adults to reach Hermiston and points north, and they have habitat that is slowly increasing again. It's there now, unused, with sometimes 10 to 50 miles of land between substantial patches. Private gardens might provide the boost to a female to keep her searching for them, or a place to deposit some of her eggs if she has not found any patches. In two years, I've handed out / planted a couple hundred seedlings. Not one is listed as a monarch way station but they are there, none the less. I suspect there are more gardens with milkweeds not listed, elsewhere. We are on the same side. let's work together, or at least encourage one another. I don't have a PHD or MS, and you would like me if we spent any time together.
Mona Miller wrote: There's a person in Oregon that feels the same way that you do: http://www.randomscripts.com/milkweed/milkindex.htm
The Oregon Milkweed Project
He started his website in 2000. His blog says he saw a Monarch in Northern Oregon (Portland) in 2006.
Billfish wrote: If fascicularis is more drought tollerant it may be useful where speciosa gets a little to dry in August, that sort of thing. Given that fascicularis is more toxic than speciosa, I think most landowners would be more receptive to speciosa , but in places where no livestock are present or adjacent, it might have application.
Mona Miller wrote:http://altizerlab.uga.edu/Publications/PDFs/LadnerAltizer2005.pdf
Page 11 end of page, Page 12, top of page
"In western North America, A. fascicularis (narrow-leaved milkweed) occurs on roadsides, hills and valleys, typically in moist soil or near irrigated ﬁelds across a range of states including Idaho, Utah, and Nevada, to the Paciﬁc Coast (Woodson, 1954). Similarly, A. speciosa (showy milkweed) prefers moist, sandy soils and prairie habitats and occurs across the western plains states to the Paciﬁc Coast. Both A. speciosa and A. fascicularis can co-occur in the same habitats, including irrigated ﬁelds and roadside ditches, and are not generally temporally isolated (Woodson, 1954)."
Mona Miller wrote:The problem is that Woodson's study was done in 1954. What has happened to the roadways since then? More mowing, more herbicide/pesticide use. Is there any benefit to trying to replant those roadways? No, unless mowing and the use of herbicides/pesticides can be managed.
Mona Miller wrote: But, if property owners plant milkweed those plantings won't be subjected to being destroyed like it would be if they tried to plant it on roadways and in ditches. There are also conservation areas that can be used to plant milkweed, too.
Mona Miller wrote: Paul, I really am tired of your continued attitude towards conservation groups. I am tired of your depressing attitude whenever anyone gets excited about the possibility of planting milkweed and having to read your doom and gloom response that says that people/organizations aren't doing enough.
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