Executive Pay at Non-Profit Pollinator Organizations

[Paul Cherubini]

Xerces Society's 2009 tax return:
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf ... 12_990.pdf

Pollinator Partnership's 2009 tax return:
http://207.153.189.83/EINS/943283967/94 ... 507545.PDF

Look at the compensation the executive directors received.

[Paul Cherubini]

Even more amazing:

Eleven individuals at the National Wildlife Association make between: $152,000 - $349,000
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf ... 08_990.pdf

Four individuals at the Union Of Concerned Scientists make between $154,000 - $229,000
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf ... 09_990.pdf

Eight individuals at the Environmental Defense Fund make between $241,000 - $423,000
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf ... 09_990.pdf

I had no idea some people at so many of these "environmental non-profit" organizations made such vast sums of money.

[Mona Miller]

How much do you make--including the under the table money?

[Paul Cherubini]

How much do you make--including the under the table money?

Alot less than the Executive Director of the Xerces Society and my home is 70% smaller in square footage than his too. I am a volunteer adviser for the IBBA and no one at the IBBA makes hardly any money off the organization. Look at the IBBA's 2009 tax return:
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf ... _990EO.pdf

[Mona Miller]

Those on the IBBA board take care of their needs. They do more for themselves than for the members. I spent 6 months trying to get them to help their members. They hated me. Many of them actually took credit later for the work that I had started. But, that is water over the dam. I left back in 2006. So, you don't need to tell me about the IBBA or its board. Been there, done that.

As far as you are concerned, I am tired of how you pat yourself on the back and put down other people. Stop spreading misinformation.

Poor Helen, she listened to you instead of reading the Monarch Health website. She actually thought that OE wasn't fatal to any of the monarchs.

Unfortunately, many Monarchs die during the pupa (chrysalis) stage with heavy OE infections. One spore eaten by a first instar caterpillar can multiply many times inside of the caterpillar (larva).

http://www.uga.edu/monarchparasites/whatisOE/index.html
What is OE has some incredible pictures--scroll down to see the pictures. Before I knew about OE, I've been raising Monarchs for a good 18 years now, I saw all these problems first hand. Believe me it is heart breaking to see a Monarch emerge that looks like those pictures.

"Adults that are heavily infected with OE are weak and often have difficulty emerging from the chrysalis. Some monarchs die before emerging. Others emerge, but are too weak to cling to the pupal case. They fall to the ground before fully expanding their wings. These severely deformed monarchs do not survive long analysis.
Mild OE infections also harm butterflies. Infected adults are often smaller than healthy monarchs. They weigh less and have shorter forewing lengths than normal. Parasites also damage the cuticle or outside layer of the monarch’s abdomen. This damage causes the butterfly to dry out and lose weight faster than normal. This is especially a problem if there is a shortage of nectar or water. Studies have shown that monarchs infected with OE can not fly as far or as long as healthy butterflies. Since infected males are weak, they are less likely to mate and produce offspring than uninfected males. Infection does not appear to harm the ability of females to reproduce.
While these may all be symptoms of OE infection, many infected monarchs look healthy. They emerge normally and are not deformed. The only way to really know if your monarch is infected is to check for spores." [But, survive and pass on the infection.]

[Paul Cherubini]

Poor Helen, she listened to you instead of reading the Monarch Health website. She actually thought that OE wasn't fatal to any of the monarchs.

The OE parasite is rarely fatal to migratory monarchs in the wild. In July 1998, for example, I collected 1,000+ wild monarch caterpillars in the foothills east of Sacramento - an area where OE rates are high. Virtually all the caterpillars survived and virtually all the chrysalids hatched except for about 25% infected with the tachinid fly parasite.

And last summer I followed the development of about 20 wild caterpillars at one wild milkweed patch in the Sierra foothills and took videos of how ALL the wild, unmanipulated chrysalids (except a few infected with tachinid fly parasites) hatched into good looking adults like these two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1zS2jtcABI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0KESfAlghg
An infected female could have laid the eggs that produced those 20 healthy caterpillars, chrysalids and adult butterflies and that's why I think killing instead of releasing infected adults is the moral equivalent of homocide.

[Mona Miller]

Too late Paul, you have posted way too much misinformation for any one with any sense to believe any thing that you are writing.

[Paul Cherubini]

Too late Paul, you have posted way too much misinformation for any one with any sense to believe any thing that you are writing.

From: David Marriott, Executive Director MonarchPrg@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Butterfly releases - in theory and data
Date: May 28, 2011 9:34:15 PM PDT
To: western_monarchs@yahoogroups.com, erikm@eirc.org, hjohnson1952@sbcglobal.net

I would put my foot in the door but I am to busy. Plus, I don't really understand why these arguements are so important? I have been rearing monarchs for nearly 25 years. Most of the continuing comments from e-mails were "important" 10 years ago, but not today.

I have worked with Paul Cherubini for 22 years as a friend and a colleague. He has been a loyal member of The Monarch Program, served on the Board of Directors, helped direct migration studies, monarch conferences, trips to central Mexico, and wrote articles for the "Monarch Quarterly."

All should have a great respect for Cherubini's accomplishments. He has more data on California monarchs than any researcher and all of his trips were paid by him. Everyone should be pleased when he shares his photos and data -- no one else has it! Listen to what he has to say.

David F. Marriott
Director

[Mona Miller]

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/west ... nt=-30&l=1

The message you claim was sent to the Western Monarch list serve was never posted to the list serve.

Look at the messages. What the heck are you trying to prove?

[Mona Miller]

Misinformation is very apparent in the discussion topic below. Another topic posted by Paul Cherubini.

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2020
Why are Monarchs Still Abundant on GM Farmland?

[sbannister]

Even more amazing:

Eleven individuals at the National Wildlife Association make between: $152,000 - $349,000
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf ... 08_990.pdf

Four individuals at the Union Of Concerned Scientists make between $154,000 - $229,000
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf ... 09_990.pdf

Eight individuals at the Environmental Defense Fund make between $241,000 - $423,000
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf ... 09_990.pdf

I had no idea some people at so many of these "environmental non-profit" organizations made such vast sums of money.

Neither did I. thanks for that info, Paul. I make much less than that yet I give them $20 or $25 from time to time when I can. They never stop soliciting donations after that, via email and snail mail even phone calls. They waste more money on postage than what I donate. I will always sign their petitions, but believe me, now I won't feel so guilty when I dont' donate every time they ask me to.

BTW - Paul and Mona - both of you are amazing contributors to this forum and its mission. A little debate is good, but please play nice!!! Where is the love??? Susan

[Mona Miller]

Misinformation is very apparent in the discussion topic below. Another topic posted by Paul Cherubini.

http://www.monarchwatch.org/forums/view ... =15&t=2020
Why are Monarchs Still Abundant on GM Farmland?

Susan,

Read all the messages in the above topic and tell me why I might get a bit upset with Paul Cherubini.

And, don't judge someone's salary unless you see their job description and their qualifications. Some of these people are CEOs to hundreds/thousands of employees and spend more than a 40 hour work week doing their job.

[sbannister]

Mona,

First, I am not judging the salaries of these people, but I am constantly bombarded with solicitations for donations, and I think they ought to put their money where their mouth is if they really care about the causes of their organizations. I don't care how 'qualified" they are or how many hours they work.

Second, I have followed these forums and for several years and you two have every right to disagree and/or get upset. That is only because you CARE! And that is a good thing. Having said that I am still going to sign off with...

Peace,
Susan

[Mona Miller]

Actually, several of us disagree with the use of Genetically Modified Crops because we are losing milkweed due to the spraying of roundup (herbicide--weed killer--milkweed is a weed). It's not just me.

[Paul Cherubini]

now I won't feel so guilty when I dont' donate every time they ask me to.

I agree - see WWF advertisment below:

[Mona Miller]

You see Paul loves to complain. He likes to see others join him. If you have a complaint about an organization contact them. I think I will and see what the response is.

[Mona Miller]

Question:
Do you have any comment on executive salaries that I can post?

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2661&p=13101#p13060
This is the topic on the Monarch Watch Forum.

Response (Union of Concerned Scientists):
"Thanks for your recent email and interest in UCS. We always appreciate hearing from our friends and supporters, especially when they can share their ideas and concerns. Our financial information can all be found on our website here: http://www.ucsusa.org/about/funding.html. UCS uses the services of a compensation consultant who works with our Board, to assure that the salaries paid to executives are fair and in-line with those at comparable non-profits and educational institutions.

I hope this information helps further your research. For the most up to date information about the work we're doing, visit our website: http://www.ucsusa.org. Thanks again for writing.

Best,
Michelle

Michelle Lesco, Membership Coordinator
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