Interesting and disgusting disease/mutation problems

Ask questions and share tips and tricks about raising monarchs - including dealing with predators, parasites and disease.

Moderator: Monarch Watch

Interesting and disgusting disease/mutation problems

Postby mllea » Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:27 pm

Hi - first of all let me say that I have been a monarch butterfly enthusiast for years and have been on the Monarch Watch email list and have visited this site for a long time now! Thanks to all of the people at Monarch Watch for the wonderful work they do! :D

Now, on to the reason for this post... this summer I got back into rearing a couple of monarchs for my mom who is teaching a summer school class. I have raised several groups of monarchs. The first group of eggs I had this summer developed into beautiful, healthy-looking butterflies. The second group of eggs, however, has been a nightmare.

I first realised there was a problem when one of the five monarchs from this second group 'J'd for over a day and then died. Hoping that it was just a problem with that larva, I got rid of it. The next chrysalis turned dark brown and the butterfly never emerged so I got rid of that, too. The final three chrysalises have developed brown spots over the past few days, but my mom wanted to show the chrysalises to her students so she took them to school this morning anyways. Well, one of the three butterflies with the brown-spotted chrysalis emerged this morning. I didn't see it, but my mom told me it had this very disgusting mutation. Apparently, the butterfly itself looked normal and was happily flapping around its bucket. However, when she picked it up to take it outside to release it with her students, it had a regular-sized caterpillar actually attached TO the body of the butterfly. She said it was as if the creature had two bodies: it had the fully formed adult butterfly body; butterfly legs, head, and all, and somehow attached to it was a caterpillar - with a moving and squirming caterpillar head and legs. Needless to say, she said it was horrifying and disgusting. Unfortunately, she didn't have our digital camera with her at the school so couldn't take a picture of it. She said it couldn't fly away and she ended up leaving it on the lawn. We have 2 other chrysalises that have yet to hatch and they have brown spots - I'm assuming to avoid a repeat of this incident, we should destroy those?

Finally, a few days ago (before I discovered that my monarchs were all diseased) I found 2 young, new caterpillars and although I have been feeding them fresh milkweed and they have had no contact with the diseased larvae, I am wondering if they are still in danger of having this strange disease because I have put them in the same container as the diseased ones had lived in? :(

also, all of the diseased caterpillars were roughly the same age as each other so I have a feeling they all came from the same adult female butterfly.

I know this story is slightly bizarre, but I'm curious as to whether anyone else has had this experience. Thanks!
Amanda
mllea
New Egg
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:13 pm
Location: West Michigan

Postby Pat » Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:10 pm

Ugh, nope, haven't seen that one, I'm happy to say -- you didn't say what kind of caterpillar, did it look like a monarch or was it a parasite?

I have had some monarchs catch a virus in the past, though, and it does always seem to be later in the season.
Pat
Certified Monarch Waystation #12
near Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
User avatar
Pat
Beta Tester
 
Posts: 137
Joined: Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:27 pm
Location: near Philadelphia, PA

Postby Teresa » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:28 pm

I've lost a few this year that had the brown/black spots. The rest are fine so far so I hope it wan't anything serious.
Loving Monarchs in central Ohio :)
CERTIFIED MONARCH WAYSTATION #144
User avatar
Teresa
4th Instar Member
 
Posts: 236
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:49 pm
Location: Mt Vernon, Ohio

Postby Megathymus ursus » Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:05 am

The notion of a butterfly having developed wings and the head/thorax of a butterfly and the abdomen of a caterpillar is totally new to me. All the caterpillar parts turn to goo in the pupal stage and are rebuilt from the ground up as butterfly parts.

This is just too bizarre to believe. If literally what your mom described was true, somehow a monarch caterpillar became stuck to the juices of the adult butterfly's abdomen and got glued in place.

Brian
You... all... stare... but you'll never see, there's something inside me
Megathymus ursus
3rd Instar Member
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:19 am


Return to Rearing Monarchs

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1 guest